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LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:49 pm
by wboerhout@gmail.com
I just downloaded and installed E9.2-1 for x86 in orer to test some Fortran programs that I am working on.
I notices that LSE is missing from the DECset installation kit.
Is this permanent or temporary?
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:29 pm
by whcox53
Can we get a official or unofficial response on whether LSE will be available at some time?
Regards,
bill
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:05 pm
by dmjb
For what it's worth, LSE was mentioned in this webinar as something which would come with V9.2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8gAjoOkXI
The fact that it's not listed with the other DECset utilities makes me suspect there's some technical reason which is holding up the x86 port.
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:40 pm
by sms
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> The fact that it's not listed with the other DECset utilities makes me
> suspect there's some technical reason which is holding up the x86 port.
I know nothing, but I'd expect a Language-Sensitive Editor to require
some non-trivial effort to support a new compiler (C++, for example?),
whose idea of that language might differ from that of some older,
nominally similar compiler.
"[...] I was just speculatin' about a hypothesis. I know I don't
know nothin'. [...]"
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:16 pm
by arne_v
The C++ guess seems like a pretty good guess.
Traditional VMS C++ support C++98.
clang support C++17 and a lot of C++20.
Huge change.
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:04 am
by imiller
As far as I know, LSE is not written in C++ unless it's been rewritten in recent years.
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:44 am
by martin
"written in" != "support"
I'm well out of date, but originally LSE was written in TPU, and according to Wikipedia still is. However LSE needs to "understand" C++ in order to be sensitive to it, that will (at a guess) be the support issue.
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:37 am
by cct
But it could presumably be released without c++ language support, that cold be added later
Chris
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:39 am
by whcox53
That was my reaction. Just release note that it doesn't work with C++, but support will come in a future release.
Re: LSE missing from DECset
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:44 am
by sms
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> [...] Just release note [...]
I'd expect such a release to involve more soon-to-be-obsolete work
than "Just [a] release note". I suspect that hordes of paying customers
loudly demanding LSE (NOW!) without C++ support might justify it. From
which I conclude ...