Installing Layered Products
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Installing Layered Products
I hate how obtuse this is. I'm not a system administrator. So I just want to get into code. I'm finally up to being able to transfer files and everything else. So how do I install the Layered Products I can download? I looked for a couple of methods none of them are working for me. The documentation when I download one does not tell me how to do it. C/Cxx/cobol/etc
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> [...] I'm not a system administrator. [...]
If not you, then whom were you expecting to administer this system?
> [...] how do I install the Layered Products I can download? [...]
There are two generally used methods, PCSI and VMSINSTAL. Which to
use depends on the form of the product kit.
> [...] I looked for a couple of methods none of them are working for
> me. [...]
If you're unwilling or unable to use the documentation, then your
first task might be to learn how to ask a technical question. "not
working" is not a useful problem description. With my weak psychic
powers, I don't know what you were trying to install, which "a couple of
methods" you tried, what, exactly, you did, and what, exactly, happened
when you did it. Copy+paste is your friend.
> [...] The documentation when I download one does not tell me how to do
> it.
As before, _which_ "The documentation" is another mystery.
One (obviously) potentially useful document from the considerable
collection would be "VSI OpenVMS System Manager's Manual, Volume 1:
Essentials":
https://docs.vmssoftware.com/
https://docs.vmssoftware.com/vsi-openvms-system-manager-s-manual-volume-1-essentials
"Chapter 3. Installing, Upgrading, and Updating Software" seems to cover
the, uh, Essentials.
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Not many products use VMSINSTAL anymore. Generally you want to unzip the the downloaded file into a directory dedicated to holding install kits, then have privileged account set default to that directory and type the command "PRODUCT INSTALL *". It will give you a menu and prompt you for a product to install.
The product installer will likely ask for which options you want, so you need to read that product's installtion guide.
The product installer will likely ask for which options you want, so you need to read that product's installtion guide.
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True.
The only product that I can remember still use VMSINSTAL is VMS Pascal.
The only product that I can remember still use VMSINSTAL is VMS Pascal.
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> The only product that I can remember still use VMSINSTAL is VMS Pascal.
Off the top of my head -- DFG, DECforms, DTR, FMS, OMNIAPI, OSAP, ACMS
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Off the top of my head -- DFG, DECforms, DTR, FMS, OMNIAPI, OSAP, ACMS
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> Off the top of my head -- DFG, DECforms, DTR, FMS, OMNIAPI, OSAP
From my (incomplete) set of downloads:
V87 $ pipe unzipv -l [...]*.zip | search sys$pipe .A_VNC
540 07-13-2022 15:23 DFG033.A_VNC
540 02-08-2022 18:05 FORMSRTX042.A_VNC
540 02-08-2022 18:05 FORMSX042.A_VNC
540 08-17-2023 12:27 PASCAL063.A_VNC
I have dim recollections of BASIC and DECset, but probably from
before x86_64. DECset is all PCSI these days.
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You know more products than me.roberbrooks wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:28 pm> The only product that I can remember still use VMSINSTAL is VMS Pascal.
Off the top of my head -- DFG, DECforms, DTR, FMS, OMNIAPI, OSAP
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Basic on older platforms are VMSINSTAL, but since it is not out for x86-64 yet, then we can't say with certainty whether it will be PCSI or VMSINSTALL on x86-64.
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Well that will work once I figure out how to unzip a file. unzip and extract don't work. Is there some program I'm missing?jonesd wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:53 pmNot many products use VMSINSTAL anymore. Generally you want to unzip the the downloaded file into a directory dedicated to holding install kits, then have privileged account set default to that directory and type the command "PRODUCT INSTALL *". It will give you a menu and prompt you for a product to install.
The product installer will likely ask for which options you want, so you need to read that product's installtion guide.
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UNZIP should be there.
My SYLOGIN got:
$ unzip :== $dka0:[vms$common.syshlp.unsupported.unzip]unzip
(my system disk is DKA0)
My SYLOGIN got:
$ unzip :== $dka0:[vms$common.syshlp.unsupported.unzip]unzip
(my system disk is DKA0)
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> (my system disk is DKA0)
More general:
unzip :== $ SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSHLP.UNSUPPORTED.UNZIP]UNZIP.EXE
show logical SYS$SYSDEVICE
If you need Zip:
zip :== $ SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSHLP.UNSUPPORTED.ZIP]ZIP.EXE
(More Info-ZIP stuff is provided in those directories, too.)
https://wiki.vmssoftware.com/Foreign_Command
(".EXE" in these is assumed, but I include it for emphasis.)
> My SYLOGIN got:
You can define these foreign-command symbols interactively, but it's
often helpful to add such definitions to a user's LOGIN.COM or the
system-wide SYS$SYLOGIN (a logical name, normally defined as
"SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN", with ".COM" implicit, so the actual file is
"SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM").
show logical *sylog*