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TCPIP no longer running

Post by indy » Thu May 30, 2024 1:02 pm

Hi

I had to install DECnet due to some not relevant issues (own software). I installed the VSI-X86VMS-DECNET_PHASE_IV-V0902-1-1.PCSI package and run NETCONFIG.
DECnet is working, but I noticed that TCPIP is no longer running (my Putty session dropped out).

I checked the TCPIP configuration and everything seems to be fine. I can ping the localhost.
When I checked the host table, I received the error messages:

TCPIP> show host
LOCAL database
Host address Host name

10.xxx.yyy.1 Gateway
127.0.0.1 LOCALHOST, localhost
10.xxx.yyy.40 QQQ01
10.xxx.yyy.38 QQQ_REP
10.xxx.yyy.80 QQQname
%TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found
-TCPIP-E-BIND_NOSERVERS, default servers are not available

There is no BIND server configured. The BIND service is not running.

I am sure TCPIP stopped working after I installed DECnet.

Any ideas?


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Re: TCPIP no longer running

Post by sms » Thu May 30, 2024 2:51 pm

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> [...] VSI-X86VMS-DECNET_PHASE_IV-V0902-1-1.PCSI [...]

   DECnet IV fiddles with the MAC address of its interface.  Is this a
DHCP client?

      tcpip show interface

> [...] TCPIP is no longer running (my Putty session dropped out).

   Loss of one connection is not equivalent to "no longer running".

> I checked the TCPIP configuration and everything seems to be fine.
> [...]

   It's nice that you're happy, but actual evidence (commands, output)
would convey more useful information than your summary interpretation of
that evidence.  Copy+paste is your friend.

> 10.xxx.yyy.1 Gateway

   There's no reason to hide these private IP addresses.  Are the names
phony, too?
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Re: TCPIP no longer running

Post by arne_v » Thu May 30, 2024 4:02 pm

indy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 1:02 pm
I had to install DECnet due to some not relevant issues (own software). I installed the VSI-X86VMS-DECNET_PHASE_IV-V0902-1-1.PCSI package and run NETCONFIG.
DECnet is working, but I noticed that TCPIP is no longer running (my Putty session dropped out).
...
I am sure TCPIP stopped working after I installed DECnet.

Any ideas?
Did you restart after installing DECnet?

DECnet changes the MAC address of the network card, so DECnet need to be started before TCP/IP.

So start DECnet before TCP/IP in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and make sure to reboot after DECnet installation.
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Re: TCPIP no longer running

Post by martinv » Thu May 30, 2024 4:19 pm

indy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 1:02 pm
When I checked the host table, I received the error messages:

TCPIP> show host
LOCAL database
Host address Host name

10.xxx.yyy.1 Gateway
127.0.0.1 LOCALHOST, localhost
10.xxx.yyy.40 QQQ01
10.xxx.yyy.38 QQQ_REP
10.xxx.yyy.80 QQQname
%TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found
-TCPIP-E-BIND_NOSERVERS, default servers are not available

There is no BIND server configured. The BIND service is not running.
Without BIND being configured and running, that error message is expected. The command to only show the local hosts database is TCPIP> SHOW HOST /LOCAL

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Re: TCPIP no longer running

Post by indy » Fri May 31, 2024 9:32 am

Hi

Thank you for the information. The hint that DECnet has to be started first was the one.
I did start the QUEUE SYS$BATCH and then started DECnet. The YS$BATCH queue was not up before.
$ SUBMIT SYS$MANAGER:STARTNET.COM

Although the "sister" system which is (should be) identical does not show any warnings or errors with
$ tcpip show host
LOCAL database
Host address Host name
10.111.156.1 Gateway
127.0.0.1 LOCALHOST, localhost
10.111.156.40 PDS01
10.111.156.38 PDS_REP
10.111.156.80 nycpdapdsmain01
%TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found
-TCPIP-E-BIND_NO_ZONEXFR, zone transfer was unsuccessful


Something is still not right.

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Re: TCPIP no longer running

Post by arne_v » Fri May 31, 2024 9:38 am

Submitting both DECnet start and TCP/IP start to a batch queue is one of those things that will work fine 9999 times out of 10000. I would not do it - I would just do it in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM. Keep it simple.

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No idea about the DNS thing.
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Re: TCPIP no longer running

Post by indy » Fri May 31, 2024 9:41 am

This is in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.
So I guess I am on the save side.

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